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BDunnell

Am I alone in thinking that the TV coverage of these 'night' races makes them look like they lack atmosphere? Were it not for occasional shots of the grandstands, you might have been forgiven for thinking that there were no spectators in Singapore and Abu Dhabi. It just looks odd to me.

F1boat

I dunno. For me night races look futuristic and with very cool atmosphere.

ArrowsFA1

Aside from the spectacular setting, wonderful facilities and lovely lights on the hotel the circuit itself didn't offer anything different or better from the point of view of the racing.

These night races are different, but as the novelty wears off I wonder what we'll be left with. Still, this was certainly a spectacular addition to the calendar.

AndyL

I'm wondering what will happen if it rains at one of these night races. When it happened in MotoGP (in Qatar of all places) they postponed the race until the Monday because the glare of the lights on wet visors caused too much of a visibility problem.

wedge

Originally Posted by BDunnell
Am I alone in thinking that the TV coverage of these 'night' races makes them look like they lack atmosphere? Were it not for occasional shots of the grandstands, you might have been forgiven for thinking that there were no spectators in Singapore and Abu Dhabi. It just looks odd to me.

You mean you want the spectators to hold their mobile phones and lighters in the air?

Stamping their feet and clapping their hands to Queen/We Will Rock You?

Sing vile/crude/humourous football style chants?

Fans banging drums?

BeansBeansBeans

Originally Posted by wedge
You mean you want the spectators to hold their mobile phones and lighters in the air?

Stamping their feet and clapping their hands to Queen/We Will Rock You?

Sing vile/crude/humourous football style chants?

Fans banging drums?

Atmosphere is one of those things that you can't quite put your finger on. I doubt BDunnell was pining for any of the above, just more of a 'buzz'.

harsha

Originally Posted by AndyL
I'm wondering what will happen if it rains at one of these night races. When it happened in MotoGP (in Qatar of all places) they postponed the race until the Monday because the glare of the lights on wet visors caused too much of a visibility problem.

I don't think Abu Dhabi is gonna have much chance of Rain though

but Rain in singapore is a def possibility...heavy rains even

AndyRAC

Originally Posted by AndyL
I'm wondering what will happen if it rains at one of these night races. When it happened in MotoGP (in Qatar of all places) they postponed the race until the Monday because the glare of the lights on wet visors caused too much of a visibility problem.

Funnily enough, I did think that, and my dad did ask what would happen? I presume the same as Qatar, but being F1, maybe not.

As amazing a 'facility' as it is - anybody else feel that these new monuments to Bernie, are just a little bit clinical, and without soul?

veeten

Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
Atmosphere is one of those things that you can't quite put your finger on. I doubt BDunnell was pining for any of the above, just more of a 'buzz'.

and THAT, my friend, is the thing that strikes one the most when confronted with these 'Tilke-tracks', the overall lack of substance and the overwhelming amount of flash & panache.

But, then again, that's Bernie's vision of modern day Formula 1; less about actual sport, and more about makin' money.

Dave Brockman

Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
Atmosphere is one of those things that you can't quite put your finger on. I doubt BDunnell was pining for any of the above, just more of a 'buzz'.

The best atmospheres always seem to come when a home crowd has got a driver (or team) to cheer for.

You've only got to look at the Tifosi's passion for Ferrari, the Brazillians' love of Massa and Barrichello, and the Lewis/Jenson-mania at Silverstone.

With so many circuits in the region now, surely it's only a matter of time before we get a Middle-Eastern driver in F1.

wedge

Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
The best atmospheres always seem to come when a home crowd has got a driver (or team) to cheer for.

You've only got to look at the Tifosi's passion for Ferrari, the Brazillians' love of Massa and Barrichello, and the Lewis/Jenson-mania at Silverstone.

With so many circuits in the region now, surely it's only a matter of time before we get a Middle-Eastern driver in F1.

Not necessarily so.

What about the Aussies, Canadians, Americans?

Mark in Oshawa

Nice track, a little clinical, but the setting overcomes that.

As for the racing? For F1, pretty good at the end, but I cant say that was so stirring I am panting for next season. Taking away refuelling will make the racing MORE dull IMO

F1boat

Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Aside from the spectacular setting, wonderful facilities and lovely lights on the hotel the circuit itself didn't offer anything different or better from the point of view of the racing.

But is the track or the cars to blame? The GP 2 races were terrific. Also I have to say that had Lewis not retired, the race might have been thrilling. The situation was just like that - Red Bull dominated, Brawn GP were behind them and McLaren retired. That's it.

schmenke

Watching the YA(WN)S Marina race, I couldn't help but get the feeling that the extra-long front straight had the effect of making an already boring race, even more boring. I'm all for straight sections in an F1 circuit, but what's the point of a 3/4-mile long section when an F1 car acheives top speed in the first few meters?

theugsquirrel

Originally Posted by schmenke
Watching the YA(WN)S Marina race, I couldn't help but get the feeling that the extra-long front straight had the effect of making an already boring race, even more boring. I'm all for straight sections in an F1 circuit, but what's the point of a 3/4-mile long section when an F1 car acheives top speed in the first few meters?

Slipstreaming.

What they could've done with the circuit is put in some undulations in it, some on camber and off camber corners, and a variety of corner speeds.
Since the whole island is man-made, that shouldn't be too much of an effort for them.
Considering they built some huge hotel with ridiculous coloured lights all over it, its obvious they'd have nothing better to spend their money on.

theugsquirrel

Originally Posted by wedge
Not necessarily so.

What about the Aussies, Canadians, Americans?

If Webber is in genuine contention for the Australian grand prix victory next year, you will get a lot of crowd cheering.

schmenke

Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
...Considering they built some huge hotel with ridiculous coloured lights all over it ....

Not to mention that adjacent hideous red monstrosity...

wedge

Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
What they could've done with the circuit is put in some undulations in it, some on camber and off camber corners, and a variety of corner speeds.
Since the whole island is man-made, that shouldn't be too much of an effort for them.
Considering they built some huge hotel with ridiculous coloured lights all over it, its obvious they'd have nothing better to spend their money on.

The final section into the hotel/marina the corners are off-camber. It looked obvious on TV.

But yes, I agree that the rest are gimmicks. I've come to the point where I have now ran out of excuses for Tilke. Bernie's vision for circuits is that they should resemble Norman Foster airports with fancy architecture for grandstands, pit and paddock complex.

China - plenty of land and corrupt officials and what do we get? A race track sitting ontop of a swamp! And what is it with the fixation for harbour settings?

aryan

The only good Tilke track is Turkey. Having seen Yas Marina now, I'm tempted to think of Istanbul more as an aberration for Tilke.

How many Tilke tracks are there now on calendar?
1. Sepang
2. Bahrain
3. Singapore
4. Valencia
5. Istanbul
6. Shanghai
7. Abu Dhabi

And Fuji, Nurburgring, Hockenheim and Barcelona have also had Tilke modifications to them.

I think it's time to stop. More than half the circuits are now designed by this man. It's enough.

Dave Brockman

Originally Posted by wedge
Not necessarily so.

What about the Aussies, Canadians, Americans?

My list was never intended to be exhaustive.

Originally Posted by aryan
The only good Tilke track is Turkey. Having seen Yas Marina now, I'm tempted to think of Istanbul more as an aberration for Tilke.

I think it's time to stop. More than half the circuits are now designed by this man. It's enough.

Totally agreed, the man is single-handedly wrecking F1 history. The best circuits are the best circuits because they've gradually evolved and changed over the decades. Like all evolutionary processes the poorer tracks are unloved and abandoned, while the Spas and Silverstones of the world adapt and thrive.

You can't just plonk some tarmac in the desert and expect it to be an instant success, no matter how much money you throw at it.